Possible asbestos in home has been disturbed, not realised

We have artex ceilings in the hallway and under stairs. Survey report on house said asbestos may be present. For some reason, we never followed it up. The ceiling under the stairs has been disturbed from accidental knocks to it and where it was partially broken already, it crumbled more because of these knocks. I remember once breaking a part of it away, and it crumbling, before thinking I should stop, as it would be a pain to re-plaster. We even drilled into the ceiling to install a smoke alarm once. 

A recent conversation made me think I should check the report on the house, which I have tonight. It's an old Victorian house, and that is when I saw again that there is a risk if asbestos in these ceilings. We will be getting an asbestos specialist in immediately to find out for sure. We have lived here for a year and a half. The ceiling was disturbed between a year and 6 months ago. 

I know all might be ok, and only the specialist will be able to tell and then the GP can provide further medical advice, but I am now quite worried and I am just looking for some reassurance. If it is asbestos and we have well and truly breathed it in on two occasions, and then lived in it for a further 6 months - year, is this length of exposure a severe risk or low risk? I have tried searching for answers on how long the exposure has to be before it is harmful, but have only got vague responses of 'many years', but maybe it's not known. If anyone does know from experience or knowledge, I'd be very grateful for your thoughts.

Thank you.

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  • Hi Orangelime. Welcome to the forum.

    I'm not a doctor nor am I an expert on asbestos. However, this question pops up regularly on this forum. 

    The asbestos in Artex was Chrysotile, or white asbestos, and it made up about 2% of the mix. Whilst white asbestos cannot be called "safe", it is definitely the least hazardous form.  Furthermore the body will naturally clear out a small number of white asbestos fibres over time.  The low concentration of asbestos means that the number of fibres released will be quite low if you cut or drill it, with many fibres remaining trapped in the other 98% of material that fell to the floor and got swept up. 

    You asked about the risk to your family.  Perhaps not surprisingly, there are no figures for the number of people who have died due to exposure to asbestos in decorative products.  However in 2016 there were 2,197 male deaths and 398 female deaths from mesothelioma. I hate to use gender stereotyping, but I suspect that few of those women were exposed at work, which means they must have been exposed to asbestos elsewhere. In the home, perhaps?  Now 398 sounds a lot, but to put it in context, 3500 people die in the home each year from simple accidents; 1800 die each year in road accidents; 1500 die from accidental poisoning; 1500 die each year from falling in the home; 5-10 die each year putting on their socks.  

    So, although you're kicking yourself that you disturbed the material, you have done what most other householders (including me!) have done at some time - disturbed the Artex in the ceiling and possibly breathed in the fibres. But the extra risk to your family appears to be minimal and definitely nothing to panic about. It most certainly isn't a death warrant that will be hanging over everyone's head for years to come. You're getting expert advice on what to do next, but maybe sealing the damaged areas and being more asbestos aware is all that you'll need to do. Almost certainly removing the Artex would be more dangerous than leaving it in place and keeping it properly sealed. 

    I'll also add one further point. Smoking and asbestos are a lethal combination. If you or any of your family are smokers, then now might be a good time to quit. 

    So I guess the take home message is Don't Panic. 

  • Thank you for this. Really appreciate you replying. I do feel reassured now! 

  • @Jak99 - Thanks for posting the in-depth information you gathered on artex/asbestos. I'm sure a lot of people find themselves worried about this exact scenario and your post will go a long way to easing their anxiety - it definitely did for me.

    I can't really buy you a drink to say thanks, so I've made a donation on your behalf to Cancer Research instead.

    Many thanks
    Aaron

  • Hi Aaron

    Really pleased to hear the info we found out is helping other people as well as us.

    That's a really kind gesture to make a donation to Cancer Research - great idea!

    Many thanks and all the best.

    Jack

  • On behalf of the Cancer Chat team, I just wanted to say Aaron that we are very touched by your kind donation. What a lovely touch and I am so glad that Jak99 was able to help you and support you on this forum. 

    Thank you so much for your support. We really appreciate it. 

    Lucie, Cancer Chat Moderator

  • Hi Jak99, 

    That is very useful, real-world information, thanks for that. Are you able to quote your sources for three sources, please? If so, that would be really great, thanks. It might also generate some referrals and kudos for the experts who've provided such good advice. Many thanks!

    Kind regards,

    David

  • I'd love to see the details you were able to get re asbestos Jak99, could you forward them on to me?  Many thanks

  • Hi I'm new to this and was wondering as I've just disturbed my ceiling in our dining room and found it is artex but not got it tested and worried that it may have asbestos within it. It's white completely. My plasterer has asked me to take the ceiling down as it's too damaged to be replaced so I'd have to put a new ceiling up. What is the chances of doing this and not inhaling etc. I would use a mask etc. My anxiety has been flying about it and have an infant and partner that I'd be worried about when going to start the job. I'd seal the doors so that nothing could spread through the house 
     

    regards 

     

    jameziow

  • Hello Jak,

    Found your posts very, very helpful and very grateful for your effot behind getting these answers.

    Is there the possibility to message you privately to get your opinon on some recent work I've had done on Artex.

    Kind Regards,

  • [@Jak99]‍ May I have the information from the specialist please? I too have also been in a similar situation.

     

    Many thanks ️

  • Hi hope you don't mind but I've sent you a friend request so I can ask you a question 

  • Hi. I have been driving myself crazy over recent exposure to asbestos from stupidly sanding part of our bedroom ceiling. Could I contact you for further info? 

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  • Hi. Please feel free to contact me, but I honestly don't know any more than I've posted already.  I was in exactly the same position as everyone else on this thread (which is how I came across it) so found some experts to speak to to reassure myself and my wife.

    I then decided to share what I'd learnt on here to help other people.

    However, if there is any other way I can help I'd be happy to!

  • Hi, [@Jak99]‍ 

    I recently came across this forum while searching for how to deal with asbestos exposure. I am currently doing a home renovation and my builder sawed into our artex ceiling to fit in gallows bracket to support the chimney breast after chimney removal and the asbestos test has come back positive. Can I pm you pls @jak99, my daughter's room is above this ceiling and we are living in the house while the work is being done.

  • Hi, a year ago i did some house rennovations and took down 5 ceilings containing artex and considered it to be heavy exposure as i couldnt see the othe side off the room this was 2 days work. I just have bad anxiety and im worried that it was heavy exposure. I was wearing a mask to do the job, but because at the time i had no idea artex was even a thing, the mask came off when i got sweaty and when i was just bagging and sweeping up i was also not wearing the mask. Which is why im very worried this was heavy exposure. Thanks. I know alot has been said already just looking threw the forum, which does reassure me somewhat. However 5 ceilings completley revoved created an incredible amount of dust and have been worried since i discovered what artex contained. Thanks