rheumatologist diagnosed lung cancer over phone?

Hi everyone,

I wanted to post on here to see if anyone has had the same or similar experience as us. This has quite possible been the worst weekend for my mum and myself - and I am still angry and in shock on how such life-changing news was delivered. 

For background, my mum was diagnosed with osteoporosis arthritis a few years back but since March of this year, the pain has gotten significantly worse. The pain was more in her shoulder and neck and usual pain killers were not touching it. She went to the doctors who sent her for blood tests. The blood tests showed there was inflammation and so she was then referred on to a rheumatologist who subsequently sent her to have have a full body CT scan. They wouldn't give her much information at the time as to what they were looking for, which I thought was appropriate. Who can possible say anything until results have been fully analysed and referred on to appropriate experts. Well, fast forward a few weeks to Thursday last week, the Rheumatologist called my mum early in the morning and said these exact words: " I am very sorry to say but you have lung cancer. Would you like me to speak with your husband." As you can imagine, my mum was absolutely floored  and destroyed by this. And we are still so confused as to why the news was delivered in such a cold and inappropriate way? A phone call, really? Anyway, my mum asked the question what's next, and the rheumatologist said she is being referred onto a oncologist next week (she has had to wait a week since receiving that absolute bomb) where they will discuss a biopsy. So from my understanding, my mum has not yet seen a oncologist, her results have not yet been analysed by an oncologist,  nor has she had a biopsy. 

Maybe I am in denial here, and emotion is getting the better of me, but is a rheumatologist at all qualified to be making phone calls like this? Before my mum's results were even seen by a oncologist? I have to say I find this all bizarre and its been incredibly upsetting for us to go through. My sister is a doctor and specialises in cancer research and she is also absolutely gobsmacked by this consultant's behaviour. She believes this was out of the consultant's area of expertise and should never have made that diagnosis and follow up call to my mum. 

So now we are all in limbo and don't know what to think? Maybe I am holding onto hope but has anyone experienced anything like this? 

  • A very warm welcome to the Cancer Chat community HHTT although I'm really sorry to hear your mum has been told she has lung cancer, and for how this news was given. 

    Unfortunately I'm unable to answer your questions about the rheumatologist but our team of cancer nurses may be able to help, so if you'd like to get their thoughts on this, you can contact them on 0808 800 4040, Monday - Friday between 9a.m - 5p.m.

    Hopefully some of our members will be along soon to share their experiences and advice but in the meantime, we're thinking of you and hope you're able to get some clarification on this when your mum sees her oncologist.

    Kind regards,

    Steph, Cancer Chat Moderator 

  • Offline in reply to HHTT

    Sorry to hear about your mum, and yes, this shouldn't have been said to your mother over the phone in this manner. I would maybe say something to the hospital about this.

    As for the specialists, an oncologist deals primarily with the drug treatments (chemo etc), radiotherapy and some other things (there's usually 3 different types of oncologists). For example, when my wife had breast cancer, the actual information and the cancer being analysed, fell upon other specialists. Such as the breast surgeon, breast doctor and someone else who for the life of me I can't remember.

    Before we dealt with cancer first hand, i always assumed an oncologist dealt with all things cancer, but that isn't actually the case. The oncologist is just one part of a larger team. Your mum's results will be sent off to a team of experts, known as the multidisciplinary team [MDT], who will then probably give their opinion, and the oncologist might be the person who then relays all that information to you. But it could be someone else, so don't fret if it gets delivered by someone else. It can all get a tad confusing.

  • Hi all, 

    I know that not many have replied to this thread - which is fine. I understand it's difficult to reply to these things sometimes if the situation doesn't relate to your own experience or sometimes you just don't know what to say. I've read a lot of the posts on here, and some are difficult to reply to. You don't know the right thing to say in these situations but one thing is for certain -  it's all just so scary and confusing. 

    I do want to keep updating this though, mainly because I've read a few posts on here where I've wanted to know more, but the original poster disappears. Again, that totally makes sense as you do just move onto dealing with things, whether its yourself who has cancer or experiencing a partner/family member being diagnosed. All of it's horrible and scary. But I did find it comforting reading about other people and if you have come across my post, I hope this is in some way comforting that you are not alone. 

    My mum had her follow up appointment with a heart and lung consultant. Originally we thought it was with an oncologist, but she is yet to meet one. They also confirmed that it was a malignant, large tumour in her lung from her CT scan. In my original post, I expressed a lot of confusion and anger with my mum being diagnosed over the phone by a rheumatologist. I still do not think this was appropriate and the hospital did send a letter of apology to my mum - but none of that matters now really. 

    After that awful phone call, I did go into denial. I was always under the impression that doctors do not ever diagnose cancer from a scan but only after a biopsy. I thought there just had to be a mistake. Despite being told to stay off Google, I couldn't help it. I googled absolutely everything about lung cancer and CT scans. I stared at google images of malignant and benign lung masses on CT scans trying to decipher whether doctor's can make that call and say it's 100 percent cancer. None of that was helpful, there was so much conflicting information. Some sites said you can never diagnose cancer from just a scan and others say doctors can.  I did end up driving myself mad with it so I wouldn't recommend doing the same. But if you're like me, you'll do it anyway.

    Once the second consultant confirmed my mum's diagnosis my whole world fell apart. I could no longer exist within the world of denial and hope that it was all a mistake. We had to face the reality of it. My mum has lung cancer. 

    That week, I don't even really remember that well. The day of her appointment was just filled with anxiety and fear. It sounds so stupid now but I even contemplated buying a small bottle of champagne to pop if they told her they had made a mistake - I am glad I didn't do that!

    But we do know the next steps . My mum has to have follow up tests. She has already had a lung function test and is yet to do her PET scan. As you can probably empathise, the news hit my mum really hard and she did not feel well at all that week so decided to postpone the PET scan until next week. She is thankfully feeling much better now - I do believe stress and processing everything made her so run down. 

    You're  never really prepared for the reaction of the person who is diagnose. My mum, probably to protect our feelings and herself, did shut us out for a week. We were all desperately trying to understand everything and she did not want to respond. That was so hard and I ashamed to say I briefly felt anger towards her. But I of course understood why she did that and we were all just hurting so much. 

    From my understanding (from Google), it is the PET scan that will show live cancer cells, whether it has spread and therefore they can determine the stage. If she decides to do the biopsy (I am not sure if she will) they can see the biology of the tumour and then recommend the best course of treatment. She has already said she will not do chemotherapy. 

    After everything I have researched, it is hard to stay positive. I no longer Google anything, as I have probably read it all anyway, but the fact that the tumour is large does suggest to me that it has spread. I am trying not to think like that, but I am sure you can agree, it's really, really hard not to. 

    All we can do now is wait. I will continue to update as and when I am ready to. 

    Thanks for reading.

    T

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  • Offline in reply to ProfBaw

    HI ProBaw. Thank you for the reply! I agree, it was the wrong way to deliver the news - and we did get a letter of apology from the hospital. 

    I have also learnt a lot more about the MDT etc. It was something I did not want to learn, but here we are. 

    Thank you for sharing your experience about your wife's diagnosis. I hope she is doing OK. 

    T

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  • Offline in reply to HHTT

    Yes, it is difficult to know what to say sometimes. However, please do keep typing and writing to us anonymous people. We do listen. It helps to write down things, I have found.

    I was shocked at that telephone call!!!

    Thinking of all of you.

  • Offline in reply to Mary.

    Thanks Mary, really appreciate the kind words. It does help to write things down. Even to read others' experiences - it has given me so much comfort. 

    T

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