Thoracoscopic NSCLC surgery.

Hi

I am a new forum newbe here. Have NCSLC since late 2017 diagnosed late 2018, and 70+ year old male. The tumour is in the right lung and has been treated in 2019 with intensive Chemo combo of Carbo and Gem followed by intensive radiotherapy. The tumor was zapped and burned mostly by the radio, but it returned in the upper right suprahilar area and I then got immunotherapy as my PDL1 expression was rather high, however this also did not work after more than 20 odd weeks on it. Now I had surgery to free the blocked right bronchus pushed from outside by the tumour mass to  allow gas exchange to ease my breathing. I have noticed a benefit in the breathing but too early to say if sustainable, will probably need more.

I have been investigating the thoracoscopic surgery and understand that there is a hospital in London that has been doing this non invasive surgery for some years now. Perhaps there are other hospitals that do this near London.  However, in the main Cancer Research UK page it says that this can be done when the cancer is quite small but otherwise I will be recommended other treatments (which in my case have already been tried and failed). It is possible they say this because for larger tumours the interventional radiologist will have to make two or more trips with his probes to finish the job.

In Germany they are doing this surgery in larger tumours and they find the precision to have a high rate of success even when the tumour is nearer vital structures which while involving higher risks even of death in theater, they counter the risk of dying a bit later without taking these risks, so the risk proposed by some specialists is a no brainer if you will die soon from inaction, so there is a balance here practiced by advanced pioneer surgeons in favour of the dying patient, they may just prolong the life or even go beyond that providing a few years of living cancer free.  I am investigating these routes because I have come to the end of the road with my NHS treatment. Winding back the mental movie of the last 4 years I found the treatments restrictive and operating under some sort of straightjacket with protocols and rules and treatments where the patient has no choice and he/she is told paternalistically what is good for his condition.  In this situation my family is gathering the resources needed to go into private cancer treatment as my individual family of four cannot afford the expensive treatment but collectively my extended family can. I am shortly having a liquid biopsy to identify a number of important mutations, to guide optimum treatments and rule some of them out.

The question I'd like to put to others here in the same boat is if in their experience they know of other treatments that hold some promise and verifiable success rate and if they know by individual experience of other London hospitals (M25 corridor) that do advanced thoracoscopic surgery and ultimately if anyone can recommend a visionary pioneering oncologist with a resonable line of successes behind him/her.  I know lung cancer is one of the most difficult to treat but there are expert leaders, followers and pioneers everywhere and cancer treatment is no exception. In the 70s we had the South African Prof. Barnard RIP pioneer of heart transplants and later Prof.Magdi Jacoub RIP famous in Harefield hospital for its pioneering cardiac work when in both cases nobody else would stick their necks out for fear of the risks.

Ever since learning of my condition I have concluded that we are in the midst of a cancer epidemic with more than 300K patients and growing, and the systems not coping very well with the avalanche of cases. Covid means that some of us have died waiting for disgnoses or treatment.

Whatever you have to say I will respect your opinion and ideas and welcome it all the time.  Many thanks for responding to this initial introduction and apologies for the size.

  • Hello Positivepatient

    I am sorry this has happened to you .

    This part of your message resonated with me immediately as i thought these are the same sentiments that i wanted to express .
    "I am investigating these routes because I have come to the end of the road with my NHS treatment. Winding back the mental movie of the last 4 years I found the treatments restrictive and operating under some sort of straightjacket with protocols and rules and treatments where the patient has no choice and he/she is told paternalistically what is good for his condition. " 

    I've only recently been diagnosed and I am scheduled for labectomy on my right upper lobe ... my lymph nodes are clean but swollen .

    I found myself often thinking about the alternative theraphy routes because i've lost my dad to same illness and I am aware of how miserable this chemo+radio combination can be for the patients .

    I am originally from Circassia and I've looked into how my ancestors dealt with  lung problems traditionally .

    It turns out that they would use young flowering Walnut tree sap to make a drink and consume it to heal themselves .

    Subsequently  , I found the English Walnut had the same  role in ancient British culture . 

    Currently as I await for my surgery , I ponder whether to go ahead and replicate my ancestors methods or not . 
    I live in East MIdlands and I am on the look out Walnut Tree Sap ; i don't know what my oncology would  think of my attempts to heal myself but i am sure NHS is not going to provide it for me . 

    Dry fasting and monofruit diet is what I will try in combination with my treatment from NHS .
    Hope you beat this tumor .

  • Hello male58nsclc and welcome to the forum.

    I noticed you have been looking in to some alternative therapies and were thinking about trying them alongside your treatment from the NHS. Any alternative therapies being considered should really be discussed with your medical team first as it could interfere with any conventional treatment you are due to have and possibly cause side effects as well. We have some tips and advice on how to stay safe just here.

    If you'd like to discuss this with one of our cancer nurses, they're available on 0808 800 4040, Monday - Friday between 9a.m - 5p.m.

    Wishing you all the very best on this journey male58nsclc.

    Kind regards,

    Steph, Cancer Chat Moderator

  • Hello male58nsclc

    Glad to hear you are due a labectomy.  Lucky you have been diagnosed recently, not everyone is like my case.  I am totally with you about the miserable combination of chemo and radio, at my age it has left my body almost unable to take anymore aggressive treatments and the damage done does not get better. It looks like I might be having Thoracoscopic Cryogenic Surgery to get rid of the tumour if the surgeon agrees to do it. I had a word with someone today about it. This would be an ideal solution to my problem without miserable side effects.

    With clean lymph nodes you need surgery pdq to avoid metastasis travelling away.  

    Good luck with your surgery, let us know here how you got it and how you felt afterwards, and if you can get the walnut tree sap anywhere in this country, with some background over its safety, etc.

  • Hello PositivePatient

    I googled Thoracoscopic Cryogenic Surgery :
    https://www.annalsthoracicsurgery.org/article/S0003-4975(04)02286-6/pdf
    it's a fascinating work indeed and it does seem to hold a much greater potential to treat tumors . 
    I hope your surgeon agrees with the procedure .


     

  • My surgery went without a hitch .
    Just to let readers know .