Mum dying a long drawn out death

Hi,

I’m just looking for anyone else who may have experienced similar. My mum is currently dying from recurrent ovarian cancer. It has been an absolute awful 2 weeks. A bit of background: she was diagnosed with stage 1C ovarian cancer in Jan 2018, had full hysterectomy, oophorectomy etc around Mar 2018, suffered with complications from having chemo after this such as a PE and spontaneous arterial bleed, so couldn’t complete all chemo rounds. The cancer seemed to recur in Jan 20 when her CA125 levels went up. Had a scan that March and told she had ‘slow growing recurrence’ in her abdomen. Put on chemo again, but had difficulties as it made her unwell and she had a couple of falls, so oncologist decided to stop it. She wasn’t even put on the correct chemo, should have been both carboplatin and paclitaxel but I think they didn’t give her paclitaxel due to her age, she’s 76. From June last year she was in and out of hospital due to ascites building up. Came home for a month in Nov, then into hospice in Dec, then back home Jan this year. Thoughout all of this, she seems to have done much better than doctors kept predicting. She was told she has a couple of weeks at end of Nov.

Fast forward to now, she stopped eating and drinking 2 weeks ago, not because she wanted to but because she was unable to swallow. For the first few days, she was desperately thirsty and all I could do was swab her mouth due to being told she could aspirate the liquid, which I understand. I begged them to give her a drip to help, but they wouldn't. She has been communicating with me with eye movements, and I know when she’s been in discomfort etc. She was put on a syringe driver a few days before she stopped eating due to having bad delirium, where she was shouting and lashing out at us. This seemed to help stop it. Anyway, for the past 2 weeks, I’ve lost count of the amount of times I’ve been told ‘Oh, not long now’, and ‘She’s probably going to die today’. This has been horrible. She’s been through the rattling breathing stage, which seemed to actually clear, but there were times she was waking up in great distress as she couldn't clear the mucus and was struggling for breath, fright etched on her face. It has also taken several attempts to get her pain under control as a couple of days last week she was shaking in agony. Just as an indicator, the drugs she is on now are 95mg morphine, 50mg midazolam, 120mg buscopan, and 50mg levomapromazine, as well as 75mg fentanyl patches. This isn't including 'top up' doses she was having for breakthrough pain. She is also approx 7 stone, if that. She’s literally not eaten for 2 weeks or drank. We have been keeping giving her mouth care. Throughout all of this, I know that she is ‘aware’ of what’s going on, and the distress she’s been in. It’s now 3 days that she has barely responded, but she always has one of her eyes half open. This has been traumatic for me as I never expected her to suffer like this and I’m angry how she has endured pain at end of life, when I thought it might be more peaceful, and the palliative team could stop this. Only one palliative doctor came out to see her when setting up the syringe driver originally, but no one since. Only carers and nurses, who have all said they are flabbergasted by how she is fighting, although I believe she has a high drug tolerance due to being on antidepressants for about 40+years. She wouldn’t accept the fact that she would die and wanted to live to be with me. In my mind, when you read things from specialists about how a dying person isn’t aware of certain things or in distress, this isn’t close to my experience. My mum would never have knowingly wanted to go through this when she wanted to come home, and I had no idea this is what would happen.

Apologies for the long post, but thanks for reading.

Hayley

  • Hey Hayley

    First of all, I'm so sorry to hear about your mum. Seeing her in so much pain must be really awful for you, but you're being so strong and I'm sure she's so proud of you.

    I don't have experience with much of what you and your mum are going through, but what I do have experience and am currently going through is the loss of a loved one through this horrible disease. My mum is also not eating and has now been given days to live. I know it's really, really hard but you're genuinely doing the best you can by being with your mum, supporting her and she will appreciate this so much. Have you asked if the palliative care team can do anything more? That must be a lot for you at home.

    If you ever want to chat, feel free to message me.

    Lots of love to you x

  • Hi Kate,

    Thank you for your reply and I am sorry to hear about your mum.

    I have been doing all I can for her and she was adamant she wanted to live with me (my father would have struggled). I have been off work for months now to ensure I can care for her and due to stress. When she was first in the hospice near her home, they were really great, and my partner and me would see her each day. As she was getting out of there, they told her she'd be handed over to the hospice team in my area. They have not been great. She was 'handed over' to them at beginning of January, and we had to beg for someone to contact us at beginning of Feb as no one had done. I'm really upset by that as the other hospice was so different, and they sourced a 4 daily package of care from Marie Curie, who have been a godsend and I don't know what I would've done without them. The district nurses have also been really good, and they are some real angels who have helped me. My mental health the last couple of weeks has been bad and I'm not coping with what I'm seeing. I still can't believe she is fighting on and hasn't drank a drop since the 13th Feb!

    I hope you are getting support?

    Take care,

    Hayley x

  • Has the other hospice been in contact? Is it because they don't have space for her? Either way, that is really poor. Caring for someone when they are so poorly when you have no prior knowledge is a really big ask, and is obviously going to take a toll on your mental health. Are you (obviously I know it's hard) but taking sometime for yourself? Even if it's a walk outside when you can. I know you probably don't feel like it sometimes.

    Well, my mum was discharged from hospital last week, then was taken back in via ambulance on Sunday. Last night I spoke to her and she couldn't breathe so I called the nurse and said you really need to get the consultant to call me today (we still hadn't had her full prognosis!) Because she's deteriorating so quickly. They have said today she needs to go to a hospice, and will be stopping her medication to control the cancer and just giving her painkillers, so will only have a few days to live. I think I've already spent the past few days knowing this in my heart, but my dad and brother are knocked sideways from it. My dad is in absolute pieces so I'm trying to keep myself together a little for when I see my mum later today. 

    I hope the hospice manage to help you, might be worth giving the GP a ring. x

     

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    Hi Hayley and Kate,

    My heart goes out to you both. This is a very hard time for both of you, especially when the end is so drawn out and upsetting. You are both doing your level best by being with your mums and giving them the love and support that they need on this final journey. It is always traumatic to watch a loved one suffer and, to feel unable to alleviate this in some way is heartbreaking.

    It sounds as if pain control has not been well managed in your mum's case Hayley, but I hope that this has now been remedied. My own mum had breast cancer and she lingered for a long time in the hospice. Sadly, she was very agitated at the end too, and it wasn't until a nurse gave her an injection to combat the discomfort that she was in, that she finally passed.

    Whatever you do, keep talking to them, as this is the last sense to go. Also, keep fighting their corner with the palliative care team, although, I agree that you shouldn't have to do this.

    My thoughts and prayers are with you both and, I sincerely hope that that they both have a peaceful passing.

    Please remember that we are always here for you, so keep in touch.

    With love,

    Jolamine xx

  • Hi Kate,

    im sorry for all you're going through. My mum is still holding on somehow. I can't believe how strong she is. The other hospice never got in touch with us until we harassed them. She was always going to stay at my home with me, but they haven't been a support, even though the first hospice handed her care over to them, only Marie Curie have helped. My mum is in an awful state, she is like a skeleton and the carers say she has dark purple marks from laying, and she can't close one eye. It's just truly horrific. I never thought I'd see her like this or it would be anything like this. No one prepares you at all. I'm so angry that we didn't know any of this. All I keep getting told is that 'she hasn't got long left', but she's now not eaten or drank for 16days, and has been completely unresponsive for about 5 now. It's just heartbreaking. I can't take any time for myself because this has made me so unwell.

  • Hi Jolamine,

    Thanks for your reply. I'm sorry about your mum too. I'm just really struggling to get my head round how people at end of life don't seem to be prioritised at all. My mum has been so uncomfortable, it has taken forever to get her syringe drivers correct, and she's on so much now that she has 2 drivers. Also, it's been a nightmare trying to get the ampoules for all the meds as I keep having to run to several chemists as one never has them all! A nurse told me today that all the hospitals are getting priority for these drugs for Covid patients, which is why cancer drugs are short in the community. I think this is awful. Hospitals have an array of drugs they can use whereas there's only a few that can be used for the end of life care protocol. Everything is just horrible.

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    Hi Hayley,

    I totally agree. It is hard enough to be going through all of this, without the problems associated to the current pandemic. These medications should also be available for end of life patients in the community, no matter how much the hospitals need them. Can your nurses not help with acquiring these drugs?

    Does your Mum have a hospital bed at home and are the carers turning her regularly? She shouldn't be getting any sores from laying if they turn her frequently enough.

    Please remember hat we are always here for you.

    Kind regards,

    Jolamine xx