Is my grandad near the end?

hello everyone just after some advice really my grandad is terminally ill with lung cancer which has spread to his brain, docters have gave him til boxing day but the last four days he has had very bad headaches and has not been eating just sleeping please help.

  • Charlotte,

    Welcome to cancer chat - I am so sorry you are in this situation having to ask this question.

    To be honest if your grandad has been given until boxing day, he could unfortunately pass away any time between now and then. The doctors are making a judgement based on what they see at the present time however, as you have seen, things can change very quickly. With death as with births the doctors make a judgement and either way it could be different.

    Please let us know how you are coping and we will try and support you through this sad time as best we can

    Much Love

    Tony xxxx

  • hi tony thank u for replying   it means a lot and yes i think u are right in saying it could be anytime i just dont want to accept it i suppose. my grandad has been like a dad to me the last 13 years i lost my dad to a brain hemorrage when i was 11 so i cant imagine life without my grandad aswel.

  • Oh Charlotte my thoughts and prayers are with you...it is so tough for you.

    Be with your grandad as much as you can.

    When you need us we will be here.

    Much Love

    T xxxx

  • hi charlotte,thinking of you I am going through the same emotions as you ,my lovely dad has lung cancer which has spread to his brain,he is hallucinating and barely eating now don't think he will last much longer I send you a hug,

  • Dear Charlotte,

    Sorry to read about your situation, I have also just gone through what you are experiencing, my father has just died from cancer two weeks ago. It is a very tough time for you now.

    My siblings and I stayed with my father right to the end. We hugged and kissed him, held his hands and tried to comfort him the best we could, all in our different ways. I prayed and held his hand, and talked about all the things we had done together, even when he seemed to be beyond listening, I believe he heard what I was saying.

    Our family dealt with this time in different ways, some being more involved than others. In the end none of us have any regrets, and there are no recriminations. We all did what we could in our own ways.

    For us the district nurses were excellent, and were a great help to me. Being the eldest in my family, I decided to take on more responsibility near, and at the end, and here their advice was invaluable. At times I felt like a fish out of water, they rescued me.

    My life has changed completely from what I have witnessed, I can't explain my emotions. There are some emotions I can't understand, and I have to deal with. Although that was, and is a horrible time for us all, I believe there is good and peace to be taken from the experience of a loved one who has been released from pain.

  • hi lenora thank u for replying yesterday i went to see him he looked better as he had ate a bit and he said he felt ok so im pleased about that. he has got to take more steroids a day now so dont no if that means he is getting worse? but will keep everyone posted

  • hi daffadane thank u for replying   sorry to hear about your dad  im really scared because i dont want to see him in pain as this is what i remember my dad was like and its not  nice, it stays with u im trying to keep strong for my nan but i think i no its not going to be much longer i have been crying myself to sleep most nights im glad i found this cancer chat as im getting to chat to people like yourself who have experienced losing a member of family from this horrible illness. thank u

  • Dear Charlotte,

    I only set out to write a small response, but it turned out to be a small essay!

    I've just read it back, and although it is quite candid it might be of some comfort to you, I hope so.

    The first couple of paragraphs and the last two are quite general, the ones in between are more specific to what happened to me and my father. I realise in writting to you, I might be dealing with what has happened to me, so I thank you as well for your support.

    In my last post I tried not to directly say what you should do. It seems to me that I can only say what I said to my own family at the time of my fathers death, and that was, be with him as long as you can, don't witness things that might upset you in the future.

    I stayed with him up until he went into unconsciousness, but was not there when he actually died. My mother had become hysterical, she did not want to be with him at the end. She had her reasons, she had lost her own mother at the age of 5, and seeing her mothers dead body as a child has haunted her all her life. So I took her out shopping for an hour or two, when we got home my father had just passed away by 10mins. It was then my turn in the family to take over and deal with the processes from there on, of dealing with doctors, nurses, undertakers, informing all the relatives etc

    I admit from this point on I saw some things that perhaps I would rather had not witnessed, I have little flashbacks, but mostly I see how my father was before he died, and before he got very ill. My fathers death was very sudden, from being diagnosed with cancer to death only 4 weeks had passed. Prior to that he had been grumbling about aches and pains as he usually did, we are all kicking ourselves we didn't notice things earlier, but even the doctors missed he was so ill.

    I live in Denmark and even though we could see he had become very ill, no one including the doctors and nurses thought he would die so suddenly. I could see him on skype, and thought I would wait until we could spend some time at Christmas, or when I could be of some use, I'm a good cook, and was talking with him about coming over to get him eating again. Then one day he suddenly looked very ill, I got a flight back to the UK, and a train across country, when I arrived he barely recognised me, but there was some interaction, he was very poorly, but putting up a brave fight. Then that night his condition deteriorated rapidly and within 48 hours he had died. This period where the person becomes unconscious might be the most difficult for you, It was for my family.

    But for me it was the period before he became unconscious, my father was a very private man, he hated being in the hospital so my family brought him home. But at home and when his strength was failing and as the pain was increasing, (although he kept telling the nurses right up to the end, he was not in pain!) I felt he just became tired of not being able to deal with the simple functions of life, like feeding himself or going to the toilet. I believe he got fed up of all the indignities he was going through at times in front of strangers, and decided to give up on life.

    I was with him for his last words and actions, he was agitated, confused, in pain and annoyed that he did not want to pee the bed. I reassured him that he was not going to pee the bed anymore, the nurses had seen to that by fitting a catheter, which he had agreed to in the morning. I told him that unfortunately he was not going to be able to get out of bed on his own anymore. After a while he took that onboard, he started to pee let out a sigh and leaned back on his pillow, he seemed to be relaxed. He never regained consciousness again, life and death as mundane as that, but I believe he died on his terms.

    That's my real last memories of my father, everything after that is a blur. I sometimes wake up in the night having a dream about the whole experience going backwards. From my fathers death, him getting progressively better, to him becoming a handsome young man again. It's a pleasant dream, but one I don't understand, and it fills me with pleasant memories. I didn't expect my emotions to be so much in check. There are sad moments and I have the occasional tear, but mostly I seem positive all the time. Perhaps it's because when I left Denmark to be with my father I set out in a positive mood, I was going to get him back on his food, we were going to have a little glass of beer, enjoy our last Christmas, and we were going to go over our life together.

    I've gone full circle again. I think it's because I shared my thoughts with him, even when he was unconscious we all noticed little signs of recognition, a moan for example at a pertinent point in our one way conversation, when we shared a memory with him, or kissed his head, or told him we loved him and he was being very brave. Or perhaps the sense of calm comes from when we walked away from him, when we were sure in our head and hearts we could not take it anymore. I suppose this is what I am saying Charlotte, we are all different, do only what you can do, you don't have to be strong all the time.

  • hello again,how are things,my dad is also on steroids they treat the inflamation,on the brain and lungs,my dad has now completely withdrawn ,he just answers yes if we offer him water and is now in bed all the time,my brother is nursing him at home as he is a trained nurse,my heart is breaking,seeing my dad,s loss of dignity,hold your grandads hand ,tell him how much you love him,it will comfort him.