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Aug 6, 2009 5:20 AM

The Budwig Diet

Doing research on the internet, I came across the name Dr. Johanna Budwig.  She was born in Germany in 1908, died in 2003 and was referred to as a top European Cancer Research Scientist, biochemist etc. and a 7 time Nobel Prize nominee, and the leading authority on fats and oils. Her diet is based on Flaxseed (linseed) and cottage cheese or quark.  Miraculous results are claimed and it makes interesting reading.  However, all the sites seem to be American, I wondered if anyone in the UK  has tried this diet?

Rodis 1,075 posts since
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1. Aug 6, 2009 9:44 AM in response to: ginny
Re: The Budwig Diet

 

Hello Ginny,

 

 

I do not have ant experience with this diet or any of the other so called diets/foods so not able to comment personally.

 

 

If you are recently treated then it would be advisable to consult with your oncologist before embarking on any type of diet.

 

 

Best wishes. Rodis.

 

 

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2. Aug 8, 2009 4:19 PM in response to: ginny
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Dr Budwig was never nominated from the Nobel Prize, and this diet is worthless for cancer patients, as are all other "cancer beating diets".

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3. Aug 10, 2009 1:29 PM in response to: javamate
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If you are telling the truth, you have been conned, I am afraid. GNM is nonsense, and Dr Hamer is a quack of the first degree.See the link for a detailed explaination of why from a specialist cancer surgeon. Or this one for what the Swiss authorities found.

 

Conventional treatment increases people's chances of survival, and in the case of early cancer, has a good chance of cure. Opting to forgo treatment of early stage cancer is foolhardy. Opting to lie to your medical team on the basis of some nonsense you read on the internet in order to facilitate getting your wife quack treatment is very unwise. Recommending  others to follow your example  is morally wrong.

 

 

 

 

If your story is true, I do hope that you get better information and reconsider asap. Why not talk to your medical team, instead of trying to play doctor yourself using Google? Your wife's life is at stake. Wake up!

 

 

 

Of course, you might just be Dr Hamer or one of his employees, ***.

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4. Aug 8, 2009 5:19 PM in response to: seanty
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5. Jan 14, 2010 4:07 PM in response to: reetpetite
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Quackery helps no one and harms many. Beware.

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6. Feb 9, 2010 9:18 PM in response to: seanty
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Can you let me know what research you did to state that Budwig was never nominated for a Nobel prize? I suspect none as the nomination details are kept secret for 50 years so it would have been fairer to say that you do not believe she has been rather than make an incorrect and misleading statement. Time will tell. You can go to the NobelPrize.org site and check .

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7. Feb 12, 2010 10:04 PM in response to: Rory57
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Hi Rory57

 

 

 

 

 

Does it really matter if someone was or wasn't "nominated" for any accolade or other - they obviously didn't win and if a DIET could cure or control cancer then I am sure THEY WOULD HAVE WON and the whole world would have known about it.

 

 

Exclusion diets can have detrimental effects on the future for your health and social circle ( I am trying not to be too flippant but how you feel going out to dinner with someone who didn't eat red meat, dairy, only organic foods and  no alcohol - not my idea of fun).

 

 

Yes I agree you need to watch what you eat but please remeber you have a life to live _ you only get one shot at it - if you have been touched by cancer which is not terminal you need to enjoy your life (in a healthy controlled manner as you should have been before cancer anyway) but do it with moderation in the red meat department etc - I should have my normal life span ahead of me because I had an early diagnosis and the thought of living the rest of my life not eating this and that- drinking disgusting shakes made of grass and such like fills me with dread.

 

 

 

 

 

I will maintain my healthy diet - plenty of fruit and veg, mostly chicken and fish and various bits of red meat (can't resist our homemade lasagne, chilli and spag bol)  but I refuse to accept any exclusion diet (unless there is an allergy) can be any benefit to anyone.

 

 

Goat sweat !

 

 

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8. Feb 13, 2010 12:01 AM in response to: tigger
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didn't you mean ''Organic'' Goat Sweat???

 

 

 

 

but i agree with ya...if these diets are so fantastic at beating cancer etc...why do the docs persist with the recognised treatments?

 

 

surely we'd all be saving the NHS a fortune if we all ate according to these miracle diets?

 

 

    

 

 

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9. Feb 13, 2010 8:24 AM in response to: Rory57
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Rory,

 

 

 

 

 

I am a scientist, so let me explain how things work in science and medicine. The burden of proof is with the claimant. Budwig has to prove

her diet works, I don't have to prove it doesn't.

 

 

 

1. I did go to the official Nobel Prize organisation site and check. There is no mention of Budwig on the entire site. See for yourself.

 

 

 

 

2. Being nominated for the prize is not the same as winning it

 

 

 

 

3. Winning the prize does not make you an expert on everything. Linus Pauling DID win the prize, but his ideas about Vitamin C and cancer are poppycock.

 

 

 

 

The Budwig Diet has not been shown to have any health benefits whatever. If Budwig was a real scientist, she'd have published some real research. No scientific evidence exists to support the Budwig diet.

 

 

 

It is therefore only reasonable to assume that it is a scam, Budwig was a quack, and you are a mug.

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10. Feb 13, 2010 3:27 PM in response to: seanty
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Do you all remember Karen Keating (Gloria Hunnifords daughter)????  Well I read her story and this poor girl spent most of the time she had left chasing an impossible dream.  The dream was a miracle cure.  It did not exist and still does not exist.  Everyone of us is different and some survive this awful disease and some do not.  There is no rhyme or reason to it - It just happens.

 

 

 

 

 

Anyone who gives people false hope should be shot because it is cruel and mostly done to line their pockets at others distress and despair.

 

 

 

 

 

Bubbles.

 

 

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11. Feb 13, 2010 6:05 PM in response to: tigger
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Tigger , thanks for the reply but I have to disagree on the point that just because someone doesn't win the  Nobel Prize , that you seem to think that this means all their research is incorrect or useless. Also , I dont believe the nominations ( assuming there were any) were even for a cure for cancer as it seems Budwig studied many areas of medicine and chemistry. Even to get Nominated means that someone has to believe in their work - the criteria for the nominations are as follows ( from the Nobel.org site)

Nomination for the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine

Nomination to the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine is by invitation only. The Nobel Committee sends confidential forms to persons who are competent and qualified to nominate candidates for the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine. The names of the nominees and other information about the nominations cannot be revealed until 50 years later.

Also , my initial input on this forum was specific to the fact someone stated that Budwig had not been nominated without really knowing if this was true or not. I am not a believer or disbeliever in Budwig at this point in time but the comments in this forum have made me want to find out more.

Stay healthy.

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12. Feb 13, 2010 6:40 PM in response to: seanty
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Seanty , thanks for the inputs and I am happy to hear you are a scientist although that does cover a wide description of folk.( Computer , Medicine, Agricultural etc..)  Anyway , I wanted to point out again that my initial reason for writing in the forum was basically that you stated that someone (Budwig or it could have been anyone else) was not nominated for a Nobel prize when you really dont know if this is true or not. The Nobel group are quite clear that they keep the Nominee's name secret for 50 years , so we dont really know. I never mentioned anything about the Budwig Diet because I also think more research needs to be done before this type of Alternative treatment can be proven or not , although from your comments it looks like you will dismiss anything that has not been researched already as a hoax. That is hardly keeping an open mind as I am sure there are many treatments and therapies that have not been researched properly , so are these all hoaxes and pointless to consider? Do we know everything that needs to be known already?

FYI there has been some positive news from research done on Flaxseed Supplementation and Cancer recently - see - http://cebp.aacrjournals.org/search?fulltext=flaxseed&submit=yes&x=16&y=13

I also looked into your statement on L.Palling and Vit C as I know nothing of his studies but am sure he did not win the Nobel Prize for being stupid -  I only looked today and it seems there have been more studies on Vit C and cancer and even on the Cancer Research UK site they had this report - http://info.cancerresearchuk.org/news/archive/cancernews/2007-09-11-vitamin-c-shown-to-inhibit-tumour-growth-in-mice

 

To open minds

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13. Feb 14, 2010 1:43 PM in response to: Rory57
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This is a forum for cancer patients, not somewhere to play silly point scoring games, or debate philosophy,  Rory. Our needs are rather more pressing.

 

Are you a cancer patient yourself, or just someone who like to promote alternative medicine to the desperate? A quick glance round the internet shows that people are using this diet instead of radio-and chemo-therapy on the advice of morons like you. Thinking that the papers you linked to in some way supports the Budwig diet only confirms your scientific ignorance. None of the papers are about the Budwig diet at all. As I said, science deals with evidence, and there is no evidence whatever for the Budwig diet. There' nothing more to say from a scientific point of view. I have an open mind-show me some evidence. Believing the unsupported word of an internet time-waster like yourself isn't open-mindedness, it's stupidity. Linus Pauling's ideas on dietary Vitamin C and cancer were tested and are nonsense(We might note in passing that he actually died of cancer)

 

The research you refer to is about intravenous vitamin C rather than dietary Vitamin C, in mice, rather than people, and is far from conclusive. Linus Pauling won the Nobel prize for work on the nature of the chemical bond. He had neither training nor any research background in Medicine, or any biological science.

 

Your logical error is called the appeal to authority. Linus Pauling also had strong political opinions. Should we remake society in line with them because he won a Nobel Peace Prize? It does not logically follow that being right about chemical bonds makes you right about cancer, politics, or indeed even reliably right about some other aspect of chemistry. (Even Budwig's supporters claim that she was nominated for the peace prize rather than the prize for medicine, incidentally)

 

Bring some real evidence to back your assertions, or shut up.  Since you clearly wouldn't know evidence if it was tattooed on your forehead, it's going to be a long wait. That's evidence that the Budwig diet is helpful for the outcome of all cancers which I'm talking about, as this is the claim that is being made.

 

The most impressive of the papers you linked to concludes that one component of the Budwig diet MIGHT be worthy of further investigation for some prostate cancer patients.

 

1. It does not study the Budwig diet at all, but a simple low-fat diet with flax seed oil. Budwig made strong claims that organic flaxseed oil must be mixed with organic cottage cheese to be effective, and that either component taken separately would have the opposite of the desired effect. The study you quote does however pertain to this claim. It tends to disprove it, as no excess deaths were recorded in the patients as would be expected from Budwig's claims.

 

The Budwig Protocol is actually a complete lifestyle, which besides flaxseed oil/cottage cheese includes a number of elements. It includes a vegetarian diet, flaxseeds, fruit juices, vegetable juices, sauerkraut, sunshine, emotional and spiritual peace and stress control, "avoiding negative energy" from a variety of sources in synthetic clothing, bedding, etc. and in your immediate environment. and so on... 

 

2. It only studies one sort of cancer. Things which help with one sort of cancer can harm in the case of another. For example testosterone is required to allow prostate cancers to grow, but it may inhibit breast cancers.

 

3. It does not study the post-treatment period when people seem most likely to be conned into the Budwig diet.

 

4. It does not conclude that the diet helps in any way, but that it MIGHT be worth looking into. Since the paper dates from 2008, it seems that they have not cured cancer in the meantime, or I would surely have heard about it.  

 

5. The study does not actually look at survival or any real-world end-point at all, but biochemical changes which they believe might be associated with a better outcome. 

 

Advising anyone to even consider the Budwig diet on the strength of this research is highly irresponsible. But of course your ideas on the Budwig diet come from internet quack sites, not scientific or medical research. These are the only places where this diet is promoted. You are just parroting quack propaganda.

 

Might I suggest that you, and anyone else like you, who want to play scientist/doctor based on tripe they read on the internet, who think that any study of a field implies scientific endorsement, and doesn't understand what the resulting papers mean refrain from giving unqualified medical advice to cancer patients?

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14. Feb 15, 2010 1:02 PM in response to: seanty
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Seanty , I dont know why you need to get so personal about a simple discussion , are you on drugs or something . My Brother in Law is suffering from Stage 4 bowel cancer and is going through Chemo and Radiation treatment as we speak . I started looking at different forums to see if there was any help or advice I could offer and this is when I came upon this site. I never  posted anything endorsing the Budwig Diet or Vitamin C or any other medicine on any of my posts , sounds like you need to read more carefully. Also , I never said that any of the research where I provided links for were for any special diet , only that they mentioned some positive news about cancer therapies . You seem to spend a lot of time blasting anyone who even mentions something new instread of coming up with some positive information. If you have any decent advice for anyone with Stage 4 Bowel cancer , then I would appreciate it , but if you are just going to jump to incorrect conclusions and be offensive to people I suggest you go take a pill and lie down.

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